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« on: May 22, 2008, 12:45:43 PM »

I've had this Commodore 1084 CRT monitor sitting around for quite some time. Those of you with Amiga 500s are probably familiar with the model. Mine hasn't worked in probably a decade but I haven't been able to let go of it. When it is turned on it will usually display an image but it will slowly fade to black. A good thump to the side of it will usually bring the picture back for maybe five seconds and then it fades out again. Is anyone familiar with this problem?

Googling has led me to believe that somewhere inside there are dry solder joints that just need to be repaired. At one point in time I took the case off to take a look around, but visions of accidentally poking a capacitor and electrocuting myself prevented me from attempting to fix it. I called a local TV repair guy to ask about it once, but he said he would want $25 just to check out the problem; repairs would cost extra. I'm not sure if I can justify the expense for such an old piece of hardware, but then again, it can do 15.75khz resolutions!

I've been torn for years.
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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2008, 07:51:23 PM »

Those monitors are great.

It's probably bad electrolytic capacitors.  They go bad with age and will sometimes leak on the PC board, screwing with other components, causing corrosion, and shorting connections with their semi-conductive gunk.  It's possibly bad solder joints as well.

If I were you, I'd take it apart yourself and probe around in there (with the power off, unplugged from the wall).  Look for bad solder joints, loose connections, bad components, stains on the boards in there, etc.  That way you'll pick up more clues.

There's not much danger to you if the unit is turned off and unplugged from the wall.  The actual danger presented from being shocked by a charged CRT is vastly less than litigation-fearing how-to guides will tell you.  It won't kill you -- still, you don't want any shocks going through your body (especially your heart) if you don't have to, just in case.  Just avoid the flyback transformer and the cable that runs from it to the CRT, and you'll be ok.

Once your inside, take some pictures for us if you see anything suspicious and report back.
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2008, 12:42:50 PM »

Alright, I will give it a shot and post pictures of my repair odyssey. Though you can be sure that if I zap myself and die, my ghost will track you down and haunt you. Grin
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2008, 04:06:06 PM »

Alright, I will give it a shot and post pictures of my repair odyssey. Though you can be sure that if I zap myself and die, my ghost will track you down and haunt you. Grin

Some advice... unplug it, keep it unplugged for about a month before going in. Those things can hold a charge for a LONG time. or use that device that sucks the charge from it.. cant recvall what it was though
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2008, 07:38:49 PM »

Some advice... unplug it, keep it unplugged for about a month before going in. Those things can hold a charge for a LONG time. or use that device that sucks the charge from it.. cant recvall what it was though

Better advice: don't touch anything close or connected to the flyback transformer, and you'll be fine.  Most monitors, even some in the 1980s, have bleeder resistors that discharge CRTs quickly when they're turned off, although I don't know if that monitor has one.  Still, don't bother discharging a CRT yourself (via pliers to ground) unless you're changing out the CRT or repairing the flyback transformer.
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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2008, 07:15:59 PM »

Some advice... unplug it, keep it unplugged for about a month before going in. Those things can hold a charge for a LONG time. or use that device that sucks the charge from it.. cant recvall what it was though

Better advice: don't touch anything close or connected to the flyback transformer, and you'll be fine.  Most monitors, even some in the 1980s, have bleeder resistors that discharge CRTs quickly when they're turned off, although I don't know if that monitor has one.  Still, don't bother discharging a CRT yourself (via pliers to ground) unless you're changing out the CRT or repairing the flyback transformer.

If you aren't careful grounding monitors, you can blow up the screwdriver you use! I've seen it happen. 0_0
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2008, 12:58:02 AM »

like literally blow up?
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2008, 09:46:53 AM »

If you aren't careful grounding monitors, you can blow up the screwdriver you use! I've seen it happen. 0_0

like literally blow up?

Yes, please explain how one "blows up" a screwdriver. Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2008, 12:24:49 PM »

If you aren't careful grounding monitors, you can blow up the screwdriver you use! I've seen it happen. 0_0

like literally blow up?

Yes, please explain how one "blows up" a screwdriver. Smiley


Like seriously. BOOM. Plastic handles exploding and the twisted smoking metal end flying across the room. 0_o
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