Konata
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« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2009, 12:12:26 AM » |
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I love xkcd, but it totally panders to a particular audience.
Heh, I will agree to that. :3 |
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« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2009, 09:15:25 AM » |
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First off, Kitsune/Pentaro/Kanata: even if silence likes Vista, it's no reason to hate him. This issue is clearly a matter of personal preference -- if your preference is for buggy software, then that's ok with me.  While using Vista, I was frustrated by compatibility problems with modern games and many applications designed for XP. I was frustrated in how they screwed up explorer (in my opinion), by not having the same options to display files or info about files as in XP. I hated how they changed the Start Menu, and even if you change the start menu back to Windows-XP like, it still doesn't behave the same way as XP and is buggy as hell. I hated how Vista changed _everything_ from XP, from where it put configuration files, user folders, right-click menu options, drop-down menu order, drop-down menu options (while changing their wording as well), control panels, etc., for no particularly good reason other than to start over. Of course, that's a preference due to my familiarity with previous Windows OSes. I hated that UAC thing too, but I figured out how to turn that off pretty quickly. From what I remember, Vista was very, very slow at displaying and copying large numbers of files. It also has weird issues with LAN network file copies that crawl along at 3KB/second over a 100-base-T/gigabit network. After being frustrated enough, I gave the laptop running it to my wife. Over her last year of using it, I've had to help her a lot with weird little quirks and bugs that just make Vista a sloppy and disappointing experience. Other than that, it's fine.  You know, when I was using Vista, I probably made a list somewhere of what I hated about it. I should try to find it so I have more specific examples. I do remember how much XP was reviled though when it first came out, mostly due to a paltry selection of drivers and hardware compatibility issues. Boy, things have come a long way. Benj |
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« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2009, 09:56:31 AM » |
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« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2009, 10:38:47 AM » |
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Don't Worry Konata, i don't think you hate me . I actually thought we had a pretty civil and light-hearted "difference of opinion". Ultimately, of course, i feel that everyone should be allowed to run whatever OS they want. I just find it frustrating when someone is hindered, for whatever reason, be it Windows upping prices on XP (though i don't expect much from M$) or XP users jumping on the bandwagon of knocking Vista, to the point of not really giving others a fair shot at it. Yes people need to be informed of it's errs but the dogma around Vista has gotten a little out of hand IMHO. on a related note, i have a habit of defending unpopular opinions for the sake of balance and supporting the under-dog or an underrepresented opinion. heh. I used to piss people off a lot IRL, but i've gotten better at not just playing devil's advocate. And RedWolf, you are definitely right about it being a matter of personal preference. ie. i hate XP stock start menu. it is so awkward and bulky to me, not at all useful. I always ran XP in classic menu mode so it was like 98. I actually like the Vista start menu. I find it easy to use and not so cumbersome. Taking up the whole screen (14" widescreen) just to see my list of programs is annoying to me. |
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« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2009, 02:34:10 AM » |
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I've always liked the Windows 95/98 start menu over both XP and Vista. but if it were up to me, I'd ditch the start menu and taskbar and stick with the Windows 3.1 program manager. I've always liked 3.1 over all the later versions of Windows, because it is so simple to learn and easy to master. If they made an operating system with the look and feel of Windows 3.1, with all of the control panel functions of 98, and easy network access like XP, I'd be all set...
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« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2009, 03:50:04 AM » |
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here here to sirpaul, also. I have many friends running Vista (i think its time for an XP vs Vista thread). and me personally, I have found some of the harder to reach options in XP easier to find in Vista. took me about 20 minutes to find it though as Vista no longer calls it "Set Program Access and Defaults. Also, I hate the visual interface for Vista, dont get me wrong, it looks nice and everything. but did M$ stop for one second to think that alot of people were already just getting used to the XP interface that throwing a new interface in would just piss alot of them off?
I mean, Windows 3.11 for Workgroups was and easy and simple OS and had some great uses for its time, then Windows 95 came, the first step to a major GUI Interface that windows took. The jump from XP to Vista is not as great as the Jump from 3.11 to 95. you went from a few windows being open to a whole new picture, with menus and buttons and graphics and so much more. Let us not forget how much issues were with Windows 95!. Then came windows 98, from what I saw Windows 95 second attempt. then the true Windows 98, Windows 98 SE. I used this operating system well into 2005. Why? I loved the menus on it, I loved the compatibility and the Stability of it. I didn't hate XP. I didn't hate 2000. Ok, I HATE WinME!
Anyways, between 98 and 2000, not alot changed, I found it faster and as stable, but something about it never appealed to me. Maybe it was the plain white boot screen, maybe the login. I don't know. but we went from 2000, to ME, which lets face it, was the worst thing put on this earth second only to Stupid people. Then from ME we went to XP, so many issues, so much graphics, too much ram usage (at the time). Now XP proved to be stable over the years, but at first, there was no compatibility or stability to it. Now XP is finally stable and reliable and they throw an even bigger memory hog at us that shouldn't have even gone past testing. I will admit, PC n00bs will love Vista but us experienced users will hate it. I personally hate the graphical interface of it. the menu is horrible, the compatibility is horrible for us gamers. I want to see Commander Keen run on Vista without problems! I have tried vista so this is not a bias statement. my buddy tried burning 1 500MB disc and it literally took 50 minutes. come on. really? he was copying files from one folder to another, 2 hours. for about 30 mp3's. come on M$! So he said f*ck it and wanted to install XP, but oh no. XP can't find the Hard drive! Vista hid it, so I threw in Hiren's boot disk, started up Partition Magic. Cleaned the hard drive clean, nothing on it. restarted the computer, whats this? Vista is starting up? That is BULL! It took me 5 hours to completely clean Vista off that Hard Drive and install XP. Vista just didn't want to leave.
Now before I finish this, I know XP stands for eXPerience. but let us be honest, M$ was making fun of us with that emoticon XP!
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« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2009, 08:17:46 PM » |
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I used Windows 2000 for years because I had access to a free copy. It was extremely stable -- it beat the pants off of 98 or ME. 2000 is based on the NT architecture, and 98 was a continuation of the old MS-DOS days, hence the difference. I upgraded to WinXP across the board a few years ago because I enjoyed the features it added to the OS, and it's incredibly stable.
Windows 98SE was nice in general, but it was maddening trying to keep it running clean. I actually quit an IT job back in 2000 because Windows 98 was driving me nuts. We had issues with Winows 98 at our company that nobody, and I mean nobody, could figure out. I was tired of "fixing" Win98 with voodoo magic and not being able to tell our users how I did it. Not to mention that Win98 needed a clean reinstall once a year to remain at least partially stable due to corrupt registry crap and God knows what else. Win 98 made me so sick of computers that I didn't even want to use them for a while after that.
Anyway, I'm glad we've come to XP, which is my favorite OS of all time, even after using OS X for 4-5 years alongside Windows 98 and 2000 (I guess I'd put OS X in 2nd place as my 2nd favorite desktop OS). But now this Vista crap -- right when Microsoft finally has Windows near-perfect with XP, they've gotta go screw it all up again!
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« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2009, 03:41:02 AM » |
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(going back on topic...)
I just realized something. I like to open my computers up once every few months and dust them out with canned air. I found that to help keep temperatures down, which helps because it gets hot here in the summer, and I don't have the kind of money to have the air conditioning on all day. Of course, now I have a pre-built system and just realized opening my case up would more than likely void my warranty. What can I do to get all the dust bunnies out of this computer?
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« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2009, 11:36:23 AM » |
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(going back on topic...)
I just realized something. I like to open my computers up once every few months and dust them out with canned air. I found that to help keep temperatures down, which helps because it gets hot here in the summer, and I don't have the kind of money to have the air conditioning on all day. Of course, now I have a pre-built system and just realized opening my case up would more than likely void my warranty. What can I do to get all the dust bunnies out of this computer?
Vacuum the best you can through all the vents and fans. That's what I do sometimes when I'm too lazy to open up the case and clean it out. Then again, most computers were designed to be upgradable, and thus opening up your case probably won't void your warranty. So just open it up already. Just be careful in there. |
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« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2009, 01:12:26 PM » |
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I like Vista 64 once you disable the user account control and give it a new (old) look.  |
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sirpaul484
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« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2009, 03:42:51 PM » |
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That's true, Todd. But it still feels... wrong. I have everything as close to Windows 9x as possible (just like my XP box), and yet there are still some things which nag at me at the back of my head.
You know, I do have 750 gigs of hard drive space... maybe I can dual-boot this machine with Linux...
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« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2009, 09:14:46 PM » |
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That's true, Todd. But it still feels... wrong. Perhaps your right. I cant play a game more than a year old that I like. I mostly use it for Visual Studio 2008 and one cool DX10 application. My favorite OS? Plain old DOS. |
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« Reply #42 on: January 29, 2009, 04:00:29 AM » |
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DOS is pretty cool. I'm actually considering making a freeDOS partition as well.. Not sure if I could make this computer tolerate Windows 3.1, though..  |
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« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2009, 12:29:23 PM » |
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DOS is pretty cool. I'm actually considering making a freeDOS partition as well.. Not sure if I could make this computer tolerate Windows 3.1, though.. You could run Word 5.5 for DOS really fast. |
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« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2010, 04:43:15 PM » |
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The computer is dead... long live the computer...
On June 28, the graphics card started to overheat and started showing graphical corruption. I decided to take that as an opportunity to use some of the money I got earlier and upgrade it. I pick up a new video card, CPU, Power Supply, and monitor, and installed everything. As soon as all the cables were installed, and I made sure everything was perfectly seated, I plug it in and push the power button.
Nothing.
I double check the cables and try again.
Nothing.
I still had quite a bit of money left, so I went over to one of the computer repair places, see if they could diagnose and/or repair the problem. They told me that it should take an hour to fix.
Today, I get a call from them, saying that the power supply was bad, and the motherboard's fried. He also said that everything else was in working order. Problem is, the processor only had a 15-day return policy, so I'm stuck with it. Everything else should be able to be returned. Fortunately, I bought a laptop on April, and I just got back with a new system, which is pretty much the same machine, only updated to 2010 specs... I'm still quite bummed, and I wish that I could change what has happened.. But, alas, there's nothing I can do.
Sirpaul484's computer. 1/4/2009 - 6/28/2010. Gone, but not forgotten.. Rest in peace.
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