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« on: January 09, 2009, 09:35:12 PM » |
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Ok, gang. I did quite a bit of brainstorming last night, and I came up with quite a couple of tests to do with the page file comparison. I've yet to do the tests, since I can't find my trusty calculator watch, which has a pretty nice stopwatch on it. If anyone has any suggestions, let me know.
- Vista boot time w/ Page file: 1 minute 38 seconds
- Vista boot time w/o page file: 1 minute 36 seconds
- RAM usage on Firefox 2.x* (with about 10 tabs open) w/:
- RAM usage on Firefox 2.x (with about 10 tabs open) w/o:
- OpenOffice 3.0 boot time w/: 5.39 seconds
- OpenOffice 3.0 boot time w/o: 5.28 seconds
- Quake 4 new game load time w/: (can't find CD key)
- Quake 4 new game load time w/o: (can't find CD key)
- Quake 4 frame rate w/: (can't find CD key)
- Quake 4 frame rate w/o: (can't find CD key)
- Quake 3 boot time w/: Negligible
- Quake 3 boot time w/o: Negligible
- Quake 3 frame rate w/: between 500 and 666 fps
- Quake 3 frame rate w/o: between 500 and 666 fps
- Fallout 3 boot time w/:
- Fallout 3 boot time w/o:
- Fallout 3 frame rate w/: (note: need to find out how to see frame rate)
- Fallout 3 frame rate w/o:
- World of Warcraft frame rate (in Dalaran) w/: between 19.8 and 32 fps
- WoW frame rate (in Dalaran) w/o: between 19.5 and 33 fps
As I stated above, if anyone has any more tests they'd like to see, let me know, and I will try my best to do them.
* I do not like how Firefox 3 works. I've tried my best to tweak it, but all I get is a massive headache. Plus, Firefox 2's RAM usage I'm told is terrible.
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Konata
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2009, 12:13:43 AM » |
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You forgot to check how fast 2girls1cup loads. That's the most important test.
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sirpaul484
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2009, 02:44:54 AM » |
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...How about no?
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Andrew Armstrong
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2009, 09:20:14 AM » |
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Don't derail the thread, I'll moderate this one more then his new PC thread.
Sounds interesting. I think it'll be more the state after running or having several things run at the same time (ie; if you are fine and 8GB is enough so you never run into a "Low Memory" error, then great), so if you do these tests only one by one, you'll need to restart each time (which even then isn't perfect since Vista caches, so possibly have to do the test 3 times and average the results or do it 4 times and discount the first one. Or not bother, since frankly, if there is a noticeable difference, it'll be obvious, and really you'll run all these prior to running them for the tests so they'll have whatever vista magic happens anyway).
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2009, 10:01:42 AM » |
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Could you by chance do a test with either Unreal Tournament 2004 or Unreal Tournament 3? They usually take longer to load than the Quake games, so it'd be interesting to see if the page file has any effect on that.
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sirpaul484
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2009, 04:35:28 PM » |
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which even then isn't perfect since Vista caches
You mean prefetch cache? Or something else? Either way, is it possible to remove that? Could you by chance do a test with either Unreal Tournament 2004 or Unreal Tournament 3?
I don't have Unreal Tournament 3, and my copy of UT2004 is... somewhere. I have no idea exactly where. |
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Andrew Armstrong
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2009, 07:47:27 PM » |
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There's a ton of caching of files Vista does automatically. I think most could be disabled, but it's a pain from what I remember reading - and since I don't have the OS currently installed, I couldn't say. But for your tests it shouldn't matter, especially the important ones which hog memory. You'll never get it perfect, to be honest. There is another thing you can run too, btw, although I doubt it'll matter if the paging file is on - the PC Custom Benchmark test runs "real world" tests quite nicely, and while more CPU bound the RAM (and therefore possibly the paging file) might affect it more then I think. However, since it was made for 2007, it's old now, and 8GB of RAM was a bit unheard of then - you might see no difference in scores (Try running it 4 times and average the last 3 since this will stop all pre caching, warm-up and RAM allocation things!) Find it here: http://www.spodemark.com/custompc/It does take a while to run (on my system  ), your points score should be massively over 1000 on average, I bet. |
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sirpaul484
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2009, 04:11:31 PM » |
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Thanks. I'll run that and average them out like you said.
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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2009, 10:34:26 AM » |
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Maybe you should try running Photoshop and opening a bunch of really huge graphics files (to make them if you don't have any, do a few 1200dpi scans). That should max out your memory pretty quickly.  The point of this Photoshop test? I have no idea.  |
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2009, 11:03:29 AM » |
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There is that plus it does other caching - some stuff you can't disable, although I can't find the page which described bits of it. /me shrugs
In any case, no need to disable it, might as well not cripple a test.
Also; that photoshop test is similar to the GIMP one run in the Custom PC suite which does load a ton of high DPI images into memory.
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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2009, 11:08:13 AM » |
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BTW, what about shutdown time? Shutting my PC down takes a crapload of time, do you think shutdown time would be an important test?
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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2009, 11:37:09 AM » |
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BTW, what about shutdown time? Shutting my PC down takes a crapload of time, do you think shutdown time would be an important test?
Shutdown time may not matter if one just hits shut down and leaves; not waiting for it to actually shutdown. Restart times i could see as pretty important though. but i'm not sure how or why page file on or off would effect faster or slower restart times... but hey you never know unless you try it, right? |
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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2009, 02:28:30 AM » |
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As you guys could possibly see, I updated the top of this post, with some of the tests I've done. Mind you, it is nowhere near finished yet.
I am quite surprised at how little the lack of a page file hurt things. The only thing I really noticed was that some programs, like Quake 3 and World of Warcraft, were less stable, and crashed after about 10 minutes of testing.
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« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2009, 03:52:12 AM » |
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As you guys could possibly see, I updated the top of this post, with some of the tests I've done. Mind you, it is nowhere near finished yet.
I am quite surprised at how little the lack of a page file hurt things. The only thing I really noticed was that some programs, like Quake 3 and World of Warcraft, were less stable, and crashed after about 10 minutes of testing.
to get framerate, just get FRAPS. it will display FPS in the corner of the screen, or if you have the G15(like me) you can view the FPS on the keyboard  |
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